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"Over" Reaction: Copy Editors Gasp at AP Ruling on "Over"/"More Than"
From the annual meeting of the American Copy Editors Society in Las Vegas comes some earth-shaking news: the folks who edit the Associated Press Stylebook have loosened the distinction between "over" and "more than." The stylebook editors announced that they are now fine with "over" being used with numbers. Many of those in attendance were aghast, while others hailed the change as long overdue.
From Nick Jungman:
The big news of the ACES 2014 conference so far: The Associated Press just announced that its stylebook no longer prohibits the use of "over" in the sense of "more than" (e.g., "That price is $6 over my budget.").
The @APStylebook announces that "over" (meaning "more than") will be acceptable in the new edition. The room at #ACES2014 actually gasps.—
Peter Sokolowski (@PeterSokolowski) March 20, 2014Why were copy editors gasping? The AP Stylebook is the default rulebook for many copy editors in the news industry — and, by extension, some editors in public relations and marketing. And this is a liberalization of those rules, which tend to be (in my opinion) needlessly prescriptive. Those gasping editors were either shocked that AP would endorse such a sensible reform or appalled that AP has given up this hallowed ground.
Apparently @APStylebook has decided to join the twentieth century and allow "over" to mean "more than." #ACES2014—
Jonathon Owen (@ArrantPedantry) March 20, 2014NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! RT @TheSlot Some @APStylebook changes at #ACES2014 … "over" is fine for "more than,"—
Scott Faldon (@SF_TimesRecord) March 20, 2014More than my dead body! RT @TheSlot Some @APStylebook changes at #ACES2014 … "over" is fine for "more than," …—
Mike Shor (@MikeShor) March 20, 2014But what difference does it really make? Not much. If you're a fan of saying "more than" with numerals rather than "over," keep doing it. It's not wrong, and the change to AP's style concedes that. If you want to insist that your publication never use "over" with a numeral, make an in-house style rule. A lot of copy editors forget they can do that. Instead, they regard the AP Stylebook as a sort of sacred bible that must be followed, and I think that's ceding a lot of power to an institution whose priorities aren't necessarily the same as their publications'.
From Robinson Meyer of The Atlantic:
Here it is, the tweet that ended decades of global grammatical stability and secure stylistic norms:
AP Style tip: New to the Stylebook: over, as well as more than, is acceptable to indicate greater numerical value. #ACES2014
— AP Stylebook (@APStylebook) March 20, 2014
In the new version of its venerated Stylebook, used by hundreds of news organizations across the country, the Associated Press will allow "over" as a synonym for "more than."
In other words, it will now be acceptable to say—
There were over 78 crocodiles at the metallurgist's convention.
Where it was previously only acceptable to say—
There were more than 78 crocodiles at the metallurgist's convention.
According to Merriam-Webster lexicographer Peter Sokolowski, there were audible gasps when the change was announced. And for good reason: The insistence that over is not synonymous with more than is drilled into the eager skulls of first-year journalism students everywhere. Over, not more than, for many years, was stylistic conservatism that could be lorded over the uninitiated.
Now, the hegemony of "more than" is no more.
Sokolowski writes that the AP made the choice—or, perhaps more appropriately, the concession—because it decided it could no longer stand athwart history, shouting 'More than!' Everyday style simply uses the two words interchangeably, and the AP will now reflect the change.
"Under" can also mean "less than" in @APStylebook. "Overwhelming evidence" is cited. "It's futile to fight the tide."
— Peter Sokolowski (@PeterSokolowski) March 20, 2014
For more online reaction, see Poynter's roundup, "'More than my dead body!' Journalists react to AP's over/more than change." And to read about the history of the stylistic distinction (which dates back to 1877), check out this Grammar Girl podcast.